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https://bit.ly/3ISIdo9 https://bit.ly/3ulUwp4 https://bit.ly/35zNmDj https://bit.ly/347qj2o https://bit.ly/3KX52sZ https://bit.ly/3sbuhii https://bit.ly/3oicS6x https://bit.ly/3GhjacH https://bit.ly/3uhR4vD ruled by some huckster and his or her peculiar version of reality? Our ancestors died for freedom and for their descendants' right to be free. Kind of seems like a desecration to throw it all away cause someone who cranked out a self help book says so. "Pat" by a Taken In Hand reader on 2005 May 21 - 01:45 | reply to this comment Not rules Pat, I think it is a bit disingenuous to call that "rules". It may not be for everyone, but they have together chosen to interact in that way. By your logic you'd call it a rule if I and a friend of mine never turn up unannounced on one another's doorsteps. We both consider this simple manners, but others evidently don't see anything wrong with visiting without ringing first to check that it is convenient for the other person. That is not a rule in the sense Taken In Hand folk object to, and nor, I think, is what Mike and Mike's Girl are doing. Nor does Mike punish Mike's Girl if she slips. I am not saying that what they do is for everone, note. by Sarah Cavendish on 2005 May 21 - 06:50 | reply to this comment More Drudgery and Respect LouiseC wrote: It all depends what you consider drudgery. Interminable spinning and weaving was expected of the women of ancient Athens and Rome, and I daresay some of them got pretty fed up with it. Perhaps not to the extent that a modern woman would anachronistically imagine, given the alternative for the well-off ancient woman, for whom spinning and weaving was hobbyist craftwork compared to the labors of all others. And modern women of leisure have no such burden. Charity work, shopping, parlor visits, and lunch with friends seem to be the impositions under which they labor. And certainly upper-class and middle-class women of the Medieval and early modern periods were expected to be actively involved in domestic tasks, not just supervising. Women whose husbands ran businesses were generally actively involved in the business as well, some were in business for themselves. The Christian proscription of "idleness" - no longer a consideration. Modern women have to be *restrained* from being useful. Besides, if the only criteria that makes a man 'worthy of respect' is that he can afford to employ
